I want my American made stuff back PLEASE :flagwaver: I have nothing against chinese people, I just don't like their consumer products 1 I oda
It has NOTHING to do with being made in America or China. It has EVERYTHING to do with the management structure of the company. Companies want to make the highest possible profit. If that means making a cheap product so you have to buy a new one every 5 years..so be it...Where is the cheapest place we can make this product....US or China...Which ever is the cheapest...That's MANY companies philosophy.
Jack Welch (ex ECO or GE) had a philosophy of....Keep upper management here in the US and move everything else off-shore. Seems that more and more companies are following that philosophy.
I'm not an electronics expert but I thought that heat cycles (on, off, on, off, on off) were a major electronics killer.... so leaving an amp on 100% of the time is good for longevity; right?
Most of the new audio electronics IMO including Onkyo, Denon, etc is trash. I have 3 new Crowns made in communist china (500wpc x 2 @ 8ohms) and they are solid performers. My Lansing re-coner in NJ who sells Crown tells me they are garbage, and that nobody wants Chinese Crown amps, however.
You MIGHT get 5 years and these days you BETTER purchase the extended warranty.Originally Posted by MikeInNH
In my opinion this is one of the main reasons companies like Altec are gone. You cant make any money if you dont sell them and most people will not pay extra for quality.
Exactly as I would rather pay for quality I'm not looking for cheap.I won't buy any of the new stuff today unless it is MADE IN THE U.S.A.I just saw on the news a story about labor and the differance between the US and China to make the same product in each country you have to pay an American worker on average $28 hr and for the average Chinese worker $.85 hr now how can you compete with that.If you are happy with your chinese product then keep buying, how I see it the more we buy from China the more people we put out of work here in the US personally that doesn't sit well with me.I have an AC unit a couple camera,washer dryer,and a few other things that lasted a couple years all friggin junk.They come with warranties that ain't worth the paper they are written on.I paid $600 for the AC unit with a 5 year warranty the next year I had to have it repaired all the parts were free but the labor was $200 now I research any large appliance purchase and won't buy anything from China which today is just about everything.Has anybody ever considered we are making a Communist country RICH and our democracy POOR.You MIGHT get 5 years and these days you BETTER purchase the extended warranty.
In my opinion this is one of the main reasons companies like Altec are gone. You cant make any money if you dont sell them and most people will not pay extra for quality.:flagwaver::flagwaver::flagwaver: Personally I blame our politicians who have been running our country into the ground and now they are scrambling to try and fix it
AB International stopped manufacturing their amps in China in the 90's. They will be coming out with a home series with no cooling fan soon. Check their web site.
Thank you NAFTA and GATT....and the Overseas Development Fund.
Todd W. White, Owner & Webmaster
Altec Lansing's (unofficial) Homepage
MANY jobs lost in the USA has NOTHING to do with NAFTA or GATT. Engineering and Service jobs for one. In the past 10 years..accounting...Medical and even law jobs are being outsourced.
If you get an X-Ray in almost any of the Major hospitals in the Boston area...the X-Ray is evaluated by a Doctor in India.
If you use a service from a large accounting firm to do your taxes..there's a good change it's done by an Accountant in India or even China.
Many Law research firms have now outsourced their jobs to India.
BIO Chem research labs are almost non existent in the US these days.
and the list goes on.
I had no idea those type of jobs were going overseas.
Audio_by_Goodwill
Michigan, USA
Well, then it's the fault of:
A. The people who want to save money by not paying someone in the U.S.A. to do it.
B. The people who do not want to pay corporate taxes in America, so they relocate overseas.
C. The people who sue to protect "the environment" at the expense of all else - even American jobs - when a suitable compromise could be worked out, if they were willing to listen.
D. The people who are willing put up with it because "it's cheaper" and keep doing business with the companies that outsource their work or manufacturing.
E. The people who allow this to happen (aka the politicians), who, for whatever reason, allow the laws of this country to be either violated or so written as to allow it (or even encourage it, like the Overseas Development Fund (aka USAID), which will PAY YOU to shut down your AMERICAN factory, PAY FOR it's relocation to a third world country, PAY FOR it to be set up there, then GIVE YOU import tariff exceptions to ship your junk back into the USA to be sold to the unsuspecting populace, who think that familiar "brand name" item is still made here!).
F. The people who hate our country and will do anything to destroy it.
G. The typical people of America who sit in front of their televisions night after night watching Entertainment Tonight, TMZ, American Idolatry, etc., and allow us to become a nation of consumers, living on the dole as the nation loses it's sovereignty and ability to defend itself.
End of rant.
Can you tell I've had a long day? :P
Todd W. White, Owner & Webmaster
Altec Lansing's (unofficial) Homepage
I feel like I just watched a sleeping rattle snake get poked with a stick
Most of what you just said goes along with what I've said before (although, not here), and that's that many many Americans base their purchase decisions chiefly on price. You extend that to the corporate world which I'd have to agree with. It gets to the point (where we are now) that there isn't much choice. Entire industries have gone to China or other places. It's just about impossible to find brake parts made any place but China. I looked long and hard before I could find some rotors for my truck that weren't Chinese, and the ones I ended up purchasing were from Mexico. Radiators are mostly from China now, too. I did find a US made radiator, but couldn't get one shipped to me undamaged..... tried twice.
Audio_by_Goodwill
Michigan, USA
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